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#2 (permalink) Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:08 am The status of the family's of mother's of wife's of yours is good |
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| This question is very unclear to me. Only use the possessive case if what the subject possesses follows immediately after the subject. {Sorry if that is unclear} Say "my family's status" not "the status of my family's". So say either "my family's status is good" or "the status of my family is good". "Of my" shows possession, so the apostrophe-s is not needed. |
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#3 (permalink) Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:24 am The status of the family's of mother's of wife's of yours is good |
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No, it should be: "The status of the family of the mother of your wife is good." Or, better: "The status of the family of your wife's mother is good.
The construction "of" + possessive is only used if an adjective ("red"), demonstrative pronoun ("this"), or indefinite article ("a") comes before the thing possessed (like "book" here): it is "some books of mine, that book of mine, a book of mine", but "give me books of mine" is impossible: it becomes "my books".
It is also impossible with "the" before the thing possessed: "the book of mine, the red scarves of John's" are impossible; that is "my book, John's red scarves".
Another condition is that the possessor must be one specific person ("the baker's": I'm referring to a specific baker because I use "the"; "John's": I'm referring to a specific person named John). If it is a specific thing/person, it cannot come between adjective/pronoun/article, so it must come after; it then becomes "of + 's" if it is a single person, but simply "of" if it is not a single person. So it is "a book of mine, a book of John's, a book of the baker's", but "a book of the family, of the library". The reason is that this special construction is only necessary (and only allowed) sometimes because you can't put a possessive in between an adjective/article/pronoun and a thing or person that there is only one of (like "I" or "John"): "a my book" is impossible, so it has to come after: "a book of mine". The reason why we use "of + possessive" with single persons and simply "of" elsewhere is arbitrary: it is just idiom.
If the possessor is not specific (like "a student", "people", "children"), it can come either before or after the thing possessed: "these baker's gloves, these gloves of a baker" (unless restricted for some other reason), though it usually comes before. That also depends on the word. If it comes after, it is always just "of", not "of + 's", because it is not specific. |
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#4 (permalink) Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:26 am The status of the family's of mother's of wife's of yours is good |
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Another condition is that the possessor must be one specific person ("the baker's": I'm referring to a specific baker because I use "the"; "John's": I'm referring to a specific person named John). If it is a specific thing/person, it cannot come between adjective/pronoun/article, so it must come after; it then becomes "of + 's" if it is a single person, but simply "of" if it is not a single person. So it is "a book of mine, a book of John's, a book of the baker's", but "a book of the family, of the library".
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Why can't we say "a book of the family's, of the library's"? I think they are also 'a specific thing/person' ; because they contain 'the'. |
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#5 (permalink) Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:44 am The status of the family's of mother's of wife's of yours is good |
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We wouldn't actually say either of those in practice. We'd say one of these: A family book / A library book / a book belonging to the family / a book belonging to the library / a book from the library. _________________ Cheers m' dears! |
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#6 (permalink) Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:52 pm The status of the family's of mother's of wife's of yours is good |
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If it is a specific thing/person, it cannot come between adjective/pronoun/article (..., ..., the baker's book), so it must come after; it then becomes "of + N's" if it is a single specific person, but simply "of" if it is not a single specific person.
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Could you please give me an example for each cases (adjective and pronoun) ? I couldn't find out. Thanks. |
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