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Amanda Martin-Brock's accent? Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:59 am  Amanda Martin-Brock's accent?
 

A further piece of information for you and your friend, Spencer.

It is known that dialect changes spread in concentric waves, similar to the waves caused by throwing a stone into water. The waves are stronger closer in, and as they move farther away they get weaker.

For the most part, this is how the pronunciation changes occurred in England as most people lost the post-vocalic R's. This change started somewhere in the interior of England and spread outward. If you look at a dialect map of England that shows the rhotic ("R-full") and non-rhotic dialects, you'll find that the places where people supposedly still pronounce all the R's are generally around the edges. The circle weakened before it reached them.

And don't forget: If Americans started pronouncing R's where they didn't exist before, then why do the English still write those R's to this day?
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Spitting image or spit and image? Thu Jun 01, 2006 15:47 pm  Spitting image or spit and image?
 

Talking about dropping the r’s, some people stick them in words that don’t have any. For example, ‘Chinar is’ (native English speakers often say that) instead of ‘China is’. Then there is ‘wabbit’ instead of ‘rabbit’, but maybe this only happens in the Bugs Bunny cartoons? I don’t think I have otherwise heard people replace r’s by w’s. And how about replacing l’s by w’s (I’ve heard that often enough), like ‘fiwm’ instead of ‘film’.

I thought some of you might want to have a look at the hundred most often mispronounced words and phrases in English:
http://www.yourdictionary.com/library/mispron.html

Don’t miss ‘Old-timer’s disease’, ‘take for granite’, ‘Laura Norder’ (must be a cousin of ‘Chinar is’!), ‘a blessing in the skies’, ‘doggy dog world’ or our much debated ‘close’!
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Accents Thu Jun 01, 2006 16:18 pm  Accents
 

Stone me Concheeta wear you git all this 'ere stuff! I couldn't 'ardly believe me eyes when I seen it. Wot woz u finking?

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I dunno nuffin’ no more Thu Jun 01, 2006 16:56 pm  I dunno nuffin’ no more
 

Alan wrote:
Stone me Concheeta wear you git all this 'ere stuff! I couldn't 'ardly believe me eyes when I seen it. Wot woz u finking?

Al

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Is that supposed to be language rebellion? Or is it your way of letting off steam after too much grammar and ‘good’ English?

Anyway, to me it’s more like ‘laughotherapy’!
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Aberration Thu Jun 01, 2006 18:23 pm  Aberration
 

Hi Conchita,

Yes, you're right. I feel much better now.

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Spitting image or spit and image? Thu Jun 01, 2006 19:53 pm  Spitting image or spit and image?
 

Conchita wrote:
Talking about dropping the r’s, some people stick them in words that don’t have any. For example, ‘Chinar is’ (native English speakers often say that) instead of ‘China is’. Then there is ‘wabbit’ instead of ‘rabbit’, but maybe this only happens in the Bugs Bunny cartoons? I don’t think I have otherwise heard people replace r’s by w’s. And how about replacing l’s by w’s (I’ve heard that often enough), like ‘fiwm’ instead of ‘film’.

I thought some of you might want to have a look at the hundred most often mispronounced words and phrases in English:
http://www.yourdictionary.com/library/mispron.html

Don’t miss ‘Old-timer’s disease’, ‘take for granite’, ‘Laura Norder’ (must be a cousin of ‘Chinar is’!), ‘a blessing in the skies’, ‘doggy dog world’ or our much debated ‘close’!

Hi Conchita

That's an interesting link. Laughing Wasn't Tom asking about "difficult-to-pronounce" words?

Many parts of New England are notorious for adding "R" to the ends of words that end in "A" and meanwhile dropping the R from the end of words that actually end with that letter. My brother-in-law is a never-ending source of entertainment for me in this respect. Laughing

I always think of the W instead of R (as in "wabbit") to be the pronunciation of a baby learning to talk. (Or maybe someone with a speech impediment.) But when I think about Elmer Fudd, I always think of that "waskely wabbit" Bugs Bunny. Very Happy

I noticed that the word "bidness" (business) was on the list in your link. I'd expect Texans (for example) to be prone to this pronunciation... and I wouldn't be surprised to hear "Dubya" say the word that way. Laughing

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Spitting image or spit and image? Thu Jun 01, 2006 20:20 pm  Spitting image or spit and image?
 

Conchita wrote:
Talking about dropping the r’s, some people stick them in words that don’t have any. For example, ‘Chinar is’ (native English speakers often say that) instead of ‘China is’.

This is called "intrusive R". It's the extension of a rule that speakers of non-rhotic dialects have. The basic rule this R-dropping functions by is this:

Don't pronounce the R before a consonant.
Pronounce the R before a vowel.


So these people will say:

Your car was here.
[y@ ka: w@z hI:]

But they'll say:

Your old car is there on the lot.
[y@r old kar iz ther an th@ lat]

Most of them won't say "Chinar is...", but some of them do extend the rule of pronouncing the final [r] before a vowel, and they insert it after any non-high, non-rounded vowel when it is before a vowel. This means they also add [r] where the word itself doesn't really have one.

Almost the only big thing I didn't like about the British textbooks I taught from in Europe was that they instructed students to insert this intrusive R as if it were a part of standard English. All it does in most places is make the foreign speaker sound a little comical.
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Amanda Martin-Brock's accent? Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:08 am  Amanda Martin-Brock's accent?
 

Interesting debate on the origin of Amanda's American dialect but the truth is that her "British" accent is due to being raised in South Africa.
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What is the accent Fri Nov 17, 2006 15:55 pm  What is the accent
 

Amanda Martin-Brock is South African
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Amanda Martin Brock's accent Wed May 23, 2007 5:24 am  Amanda Martin Brock's accent
 

Originally from Mbabane, Swaziland, Amanda was raised in Zimbabwe and South Africa. She attended the University of Natal in South Africa as a pre-law student, graduating in 1980 with a degree in English and Political Science. Pursuing a career in law, Amanda moved to Baton Rouge, Louisiana to attend law school at Louisiana State University (LSU) where she was a member of the Law Review.
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