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| Fan of Arabian horses wrote: | | I hope you don?t mind if… |
(smiling) Certainly, not.
Here you are a full-right mistake maker  ... as well, as me So, make yourself comfortable in this thread to do that fluently and at any time, around a clock
(And again - many many thanks to everybody who makes the site!)
(seriously) Definitely, my life would be much easier, if I could have a correction and an explanation of such kind (Hi, Torsten, and thank you very much!) through my virtual) and real conversations... and without special questions (until I myself don't recognize my own mistakes, I have no questions… )
… While rereading our dialogue, I've noticed that I had used ‘people’, whereas you had used ‘humans’.
Animals are sometimes the better humans, aren?t they?
The best people are dogs.
Hmmm… two different words and I have no idea, why I had used ‘people’.
I would be very grateful if anybody sheds some light on the difference (in the above context).
(I clearly undestand that my real question is rather stupid: Which of the words was better to have been used in my interpretation ? )
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Hi Michael
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Not exactly common, as I can understand now.
Ms Wikipedia has told me that 'A distinction is maintained in philosophy and law between the notions "human being" ( = humans), or "man", and "person". The former refers to the species, while the latter refers to a rational agent.'
and gives the two following definitions:
'Humans, or human beings, are animals biologically classified as bipedal primates belonging to the mammalian genus Homo, in particular to its only extant species, Homo sapiens (Latin for "wise man" or "knowing man"), under the family Hominidae (the great apes).
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Like most primates, humans are by nature social. However, humans are particularly adept at utilizing systems of communication such as language for self-expression and the exchange of ideas.'
A people is a group of individuals who belong to and function within a particular society. In common usage, the term people may be synonymous with human, or otherwise may carry an exclusive meaning. In general, the word people is a collective noun used to define a specific group of humans.'
So, we both are right. In some sense
And what was new for me:
'However, when used to refer to a group of humans possessing a common ethnic, cultural or national unitary characteristic or identity, "people" is a singular noun, and as such takes an "s" in the plural; (example: "the English-speaking peoples of the world").'
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Hi Tamara!
With your recent reply you stroke me a bit dumb or you took my breath away. Although your posts always came across easily visible and in a (possibly) formal way you topped it with your scientic seeming investigation regarding the words humans and people. By the way, what is your profession? Please, don?t get me wrong, I myself like a precise speech. Phrasal words often bring up irritation, because it needs more than language skills only. I mean I?ve heard an idiom that sounds this way:
To speak someone?s language you must have walked many miles in his/her boots.
I think it refers to the fact that you need two things:
-you used to live a longer span of time between the people around you to speak their language
-you need a lot of patience
That are my thoughts only and I don?t want to come across pushy.
But meanwhile if you feel to be in a doghouse you can find many examples for phrasal words and idioms.
What I?d like to know were whether the people around you often use idioms?
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Hi Amy!
Of course, you may remind me. But what are you referring to ? Now I?m in a doghouse. 
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| Quote: | | whether the people around you often use idioms? |
Yes, lots of idioms and very often…
Being a fan of reference books )) I can’t resist and not to say that some of idioms have equivalents in other languages (I have ‘A Book of Idioms in Five Languages’ for 100 generally used idioms in English, Russian, French, Spanish and Dutch), I can undestand them clearly and sometimes even succeed to use
Another ones (which I hear quite often) came from some very specific areas (cricket, horse races, fishing…) and, what is mostly hard for me is that using them in the contexts, far from sport, people say them not in full, but only two or three words – just to denote… It enough for native speakers to catch the main idea (and to exercise their wit ) - but not for me...
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I’d just like to say ‘thank you, Michael, for your posts and for your second wind
For me this is important.
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| Fri Jun 09, 2006 0:34 am As is :) |
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| Tamara wrote: |
Hi Michael.
| Quote: | | you stroke me a bit dumb or you took my breath away. |
Sorry, if I scared you a bit |
Hi Tamara, you didn?t scare or annoy or what ever negative would be possible me. I?ve been surprised only about your way of finding out the difference between humans and people. It is always better to have correct definitions than assumptions only. 
| Tamara wrote: | | Quote: | you topped it with your scientic (scientific?) seeming investigation…
By the way, what is your profession? |
Your suspicious (suspicion?) is right, I actually have (in anamnesis  ) some academic background (took part in a couple of projects for Russian Academy of Sciences). And Degree in Computing. By the way |
The way you?ve worked out the explanation reminded me to some lessons while I was studying mechanic. The headline of this lessons had been something that sounds like scientific (Thank you!) orientated work out.You know Introduction-Thesis-Antithesis-Synthesis, something like that.  Oh my goodness, it?s fiveteen years ago now!
| Tamara wrote: | Hmm. Definitely, I have a bad habit to use dictionaries, encyclopaedias etc to get 'a clear picture' instead of just asking other huma… I mean people
Let me remind )) you that my English is bookish and doesn’t sound naturally.
So... I need to find right boots )) and just go…
from time to time reminding myself of the eastern proverb (it’s not an idiom):
The journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step. |
To start your journey may I give you some reference to some of Sir Alan?s topics in the forum ?What do you want to talk about??
Are you under the weather?
Dogs (idioms and expressions)
chip
What you say? (expression: ?a stone?s throw away?)
What you say? (bush expressions)
Sorry, I joined to this site in April but I havn?t any clue yet how this goddamned link to another topic works.
For the moment the wind abated. I only wanted to say communicating with you makes me a fortune too. Thanks back!
Hope to see you soon!
Michael
P.S.: Last but not least: Amy, you wanted to refer me to the topic about problems (damned Alzheimer; I?ve forgotten the headline) But what was that what I?d liked to tell you?  |
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| Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:09 am As is :) |
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Hi, Michael,
Thank you for offering me the wonderful Alan’s boots
As far as I have time, I read
English Vocabulary, Grammar and Idioms , What do you want to talk about? (and ESL lessons of course) every day (and some nights )
As well as listening audios and writing lots of essays (,goddamned accounts, formal letters, informal letters,…)
On 28-30, June, I am taking ESOL exams…
That’s not easy – psychologically – being adult (long since. Oh my goodness… ) to feel me again as a child just because of my poor English.
| Quote: | | this goddamned link to another topic works |
They (as well as other decorations of your text, such as using colours, different fonts, images etc) are written out in some version of another language – HTML (let‘s consider it as a special Internet English dialect )
As it is a formal language (with no phrasal verbs with their goddamned
slipping away meanings )) ), learning and using it is much more easy than colloquial English…
You can use the syntax clause: (this is not a special clue for mechanics and for the Forum )
[url=http://www… [/b]] Name of the link at your choice [/url]
for example:
[url=http://www.yahoo.com/] Yahoo! [/url]
will produces the link: Yahoo!
or use button URL in the reply window.
Just press it before and after the web address and the name of the link to form your link clause properly
P.S Thanks a lot for your suspicion Nouns, adjectives…
PPS
I wish I'll be long distance runner, as well as you. A marathoneer, not sprinter...
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But as I?m a lazy bone I thought about a less uncomfortable way to refer to another topic at this site.