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ESOL exams Fri Jun 09, 2006 18:52 pm  ESOL exams
 

Hi Michael,

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with this damned machines!
as self-willed as Arabian horses? Smile

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issues
Of course, you’re welcome. And any my possible help with your Russian, as well Smile Smile

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a lazy bone
Oh, I see Smile But as I undestand, here and now there is no any simpler way for your but just direct putting a full URL into your post. It works.

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tell me more about that
Ok.

This time I am taking four exams: writing, reading, listening and speaking – all at the same level.
(The system is slightly stupid: to get a whole certificate at a particular level you need to pass full set of exams EXACTLY at the level.

This means, if, for example, your reading skills are higher – as in my case, because I am a quite good reader Smile – and you have passed it at Level 2, but writing, listening and speaking at only Level 1, then for the system it DOES NOT mean automatically that your reading skill are at Level 1 Smile
So nobody gives you the whole certificate, while you get Level 1 at reading, as well Very Happy

If you are interested, here are some more details about ESOL (UK) exam procedure (at my level):

From last year Listening and Speaking exams are joined (it seems reasonable). Now it consists of two components:
the first contains three tasks: (1) telling a story in the past (Past Simple, Past Perfect) + brief (fluent Smile ) dialogue with the examiner, (2) describing a process (Present Continuous + Passive voice, impersonal style), (2) role-play or other everyday situation at the examiner’s choice;

the second include a discussion at a small group on everyday problems. It can be planning some joint actions or a weekend, asking for advice, informal negotiations, financial concerns or whatever.

ESOL Reading exam is quite usual – lot’s of tests and closed questions. Just read carefully & tick. And, of course, schedule yourself (lime is very limited).

Writing exam usually includes three tasks – (1) formal impersonal writing (like a report or an account) with brief plan & draft, (2) formal letter (request, complaint, proposal, your opinion on something for the newspaper,…), (3) informal letter or notes on the proposed topic and in the proposed context. All about two hours, with no dictionary.

P.S. Just to comment: ESOL certificate is reasonable only if you are residing in the UK. The ESOL certification is national (UK), not international as TOEFL.

Tamara
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Sorry, I'm having few time only! Sat Jun 10, 2006 16:27 pm  Sorry, I'm having few time only!
 

Hi Tamara!

With your recent reply you gave me interesting information. I?d like to talk to you more. Unfortunately, today I have few time only because I?m preparing my hay for pressing and later I?m used to put it in the stable. I?m happy: This year have been supercalifragilisticexpedialdocious whether for making the first hay! Cool

See you later

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Sorry, I'm having few time only! Sun Jun 11, 2006 0:19 am  Sorry, I'm having few time only!
 

Michael, I wish you (and your horse) every success with your hay.

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supercalifragilisticexpedialdocious whether
Smile

See you,
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Did I break a rule? Sun Jun 11, 2006 0:22 am  Did I break a rule?
 

Hi Team English-test.net,

Just to comment: you (nothing personal) have changed the title of my thread at your choice, without asking me and with no any explanation. That’s strange...
Tamara
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I really enjoy an atmosphere at this ESL Forum! Sun Jun 11, 2006 0:46 am  I really enjoy an atmosphere at this ESL Forum!
 

Hi Tamara!

As you see, I didn?t have had much time this afternoon. Of course I meant supercalifragilisticexpedialdocious weather! After putting the hay into the stable, I think my horses and I will enjoy the hay. Thank you for your good wishes. Cool

About the changing of your headline: I think, Torsten did that as he had the impression that you enjoy this site. I also think that he didn?t have a bad intention while he changed your title. For me, it was his impression that you like the site. Torsten is a really kind and positive person, who shows his impressions this way because he is really buisy. I?m sure he followed our talk and changed your title from this reason.

By the way, what interested me, why did you chose the title : as is..))? Confused

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I really enjoy an atmosphere at this ESL Forum! Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:16 am  I really enjoy an atmosphere at this ESL Forum!
 

Hi Michael,

I also didn’t have any bad intention when saying (in fact): I’d generally just like to be sure that my words (expressions, sentences) saying or writing in a context, remain my words, even though they are not the best.
(Of course, I know, my English is not very good and millions of people could rewrite or express my own feelings or to present myself much better than me Smile ).

I am also familiar with rules of moderation and submit them. If I break a law ) I am ready not to find in the early morning some evening posts Smile

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what interested me, why did you chose the title : as is..?

Hmm… Good question.
I suppose you know the meaning of 'be yourself'?

I think, the main reason was (and is) psychological: my intention when presenting me, with my poor English, to be myself. 'Don’t glamour it/me up'. As is Smile

That’s not very easy Smile You know, (m)any of us can appear to be better when we are. Especially when we feel lack of confidence…

(Also It’s nice to be important, but more important to be nice. – do you know such kind of rules?...)

So, the phrase 'As is' expressed my basic position.
You [I, he, she, they] cannot improve something (or start to be treated to get over illnesses) unless you apply your actual level, as is, with no brightening it up. It’s very important thing...

P.S. And I really, really enjoy an atmosphere at this ESL Forum! Smile

Have a nice day and fine weather! Smile
Tamara
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Make hay while the sun shines Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:19 am  Make hay while the sun shines
 

Hey Michael!

Since you're a haymaker, I'm sure you'll be interested in knowing that there are a few idioms and expressions in English that use the word hay.

So, let's make hay while the sun shines (take advantage of the opportunity):
- Some people have an allergic condition called hay fever.
- If things go terribly wrong, you can say they've gone haywire.
- If you're very tired and need sleep, you should hit the hay (go to bed).
- If you need to hit the hay because you desperately need sleep and can barely keep your eyes open, you probably don't have enough energy for a roll in the hay. Embarassed
- You can use Google to find the definition for 'a roll in the hay'. It probably won't be like looking for a needle in a haystack. It's not an impossible task. You can find it quite easily. Cool Laughing

Have I now made hay of your haymaking? Laughing

Amy
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Experiencing a roll in the hay Sun Jun 11, 2006 21:04 pm  Experiencing a roll in the hay
 

Yankee wrote:
- If you need to hit the hay because you desperately need sleep and can barely keep your eyes open, you probably don't have enough energy for a roll in the hay. Embarassed


Hi Amy!

You showed a lot interesting sayings about hay. Wink But this is really theme number one in the world. If you ever had a roll in the hay in the most true sense of the saying please tell me your impressions! Shocked Laughing

I mean, you probably would have felt the big tickle at parts of your body you didn?t want to experience at? Wink Laughing

Michael
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I really enjoy an atmosphere at this ESL Forum! Sun Jun 11, 2006 21:38 pm  I really enjoy an atmosphere at this ESL Forum!
 

Tamara wrote:
(Also It’s nice to be important, but more important to be nice. – do you know such kind of rules?...)

Hi Tamara!

Yes, I know such sayings. But in my opinion the truth of them depend on your own sight of the things. If you more like to be nice, this saying would do fit. Only many people think that to be important could bring them the big satisfaction. So they do things that were expected of them, not really knowing that they often will become used up only! Shocked

Tamara wrote:
Have a nice day and fine weather! Smile
Tamara

Thanks a lot. I have been relaxing the whole day, as our yesterday?s action was really hart. And today afternoon I saw my first WM soccer match: Netherlands vs. Serbia-Montenegro. The weather was really hot. What about the weather at your residence? Did you lighten up your grill as it was sunday? Have you sat in the garden with a salad and a piece of meat and some drinks while sweating? Or was you sitting at your English lessons? Whatever you did, I hope you did enjoy the day too. Cool

Michael
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I really enjoy an atmosphere at this ESL Forum! Mon Jun 12, 2006 0:05 am  I really enjoy an atmosphere at this ESL Forum!
 

Hi Michael!

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So they do things that were expected of them, not really knowing that they often will become used up only!

Absolutely!

But 'being nice for everybody' too often means to lose your-Self…
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the truth of them

You know, it’s a matter of belief, not of mathematical (logical) true/false…

Again, my general belief is that ‘being yourself’ is better, even though my personality is not always very nice Smile

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WM soccer match

Oh, I see. These days Britain is even more football country than usual… Smile
My son is a big fan and now I have a happy opportunity to hear his yells Wink

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as our yesterday?s action was really hart.

Today my head, my heart and me in whole were not in hard condition…
28 degrees of centigrade (and I am not even wish to think about how much it is in Fahrenheits Smile … the day before yesterday, yesterday, today, tomorrow…

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lighten up your grill as it was sunday?

In my family we usually make up (?) barbecue on Saturdays. In the garden, indeed Smile
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Or was you sitting at your English lessons?

You must be joking… At almost 30 degrees? On Sunday?!… Nooo aaany lessonsssszzz…

Today there was the celebration of a town anniversary and I went to see the show (with two of my (Russian) friends). Lot’s of people and entertainments, excellent dog show (decorative doggies, security dogs, shepherd dogs, honestly performing their tasks for people being languid with the heat…), etc.
Great!
I also ‘succeeded’ to have two dialogues with people speaking in cockney (I could hardly understand cockney and mainly smiled and nodded to keep the ball of conversation rolling. And being nice Smile).
And had an quite interesting (but brief) conversation with a soldier (each year they show some army equipment and guns being adopted in British Army) and even was allowed to take aim at a large and heavy gun, a little similar to ‘Kalashnikov’ Smile

…And now it's time to hit the hay Smile

See you,
Tamara
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I really enjoy an atmosphere at this ESL Forum! Tue Jun 13, 2006 0:16 am  I really enjoy an atmosphere at this ESL Forum!
 

Hi Tamara!

Sorry for being late this evening, but I have less time as I started a job today. Nevertheless I liked going on talking to you.

You seem to have had an exciting weekend although the two natives with their cockney speech - have you refered to old blabbermouthes?Shocked - made you smiling and nodding and trying to be nice? If my assumption were right, let me tell you, that something similar happens to me often even in my mother tongue. And also what about beer?

The entertainments with the dogs must have been really interesting for you. Last year I was at an international breeder show concerning Arabian horses. Standing on the tribunes a woman stood beside me and talked to me in good old American English and as I hadn?t improved that time my English, I felt like you with your two cockney speakers! Laughing Funny was that my wife who don?t speak much English translated ( more interpreted) the women?s words to me, so that at last the sense of her talking was that she was very excited because her husband showed one horse which won the third place finally. This was funny, wasn?t it? Laughing

By the way, would you mind if I ask you what you intent to do at the next weekend? Confused Embarassed

Hope to see you soon,

Michael
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I really enjoy an atmosphere at this ESL Forum! Tue Jun 13, 2006 17:14 pm  I really enjoy an atmosphere at this ESL Forum!
 

Tamara wrote:
Hi Michael!

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because her husband showed one horse which won
It might be, she’s Fan of her husband even more than of Arabian horses Smile

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have you refered to old blabbermouthes?…
…two cockney speakers
Both were in their 40’s Smile And definitely weren’t English teachers Smile
You know, there are a lot of very-quick-speaking people, who, in response to your misunderstanding of their talking, immediately start (kindly, of course!) to speak even more new words (to explain previous ones Smile ) and even faster… as a result, you have no the ghost of a chance to gain a bit of understanding Smile
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in good old American English
As for me, the true old ladies' English Smile is certainly much, much easier to understand…

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And also what about beer?
To be honest, I don’t drink much beer; I definitely prefer my coffee-addiction Smile

Perhaps you know such a brilliantly funny) and historically ‘bronzy’ piece of very old English, as ‘The women' petition against coffee’ Smile

Let me quote a bit from its digital version
The women's petition against coffee (1674)
:
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…Certainly our Coutrymens pallates are become as Fanatical as their Brains; how else is't possible they should Apostatize from the good old primitive way of Ale-drinking,
to run a whoreing after such variety of distructive Foraign Liquors, to trifle away their time, scald their Chops, and spend their Money….
...
We Humbly Pray, That you our Trusty Patrons would improve your Interest, that henceferth [>henceforth] the Drinking COFFEE may on severe penalties be forbidden to all Persons under the Age of Threescore; and that instead thereof, Lusty nappy Beer, Cock-Ale, Cordial Canaries, Restoring Malago's, and Back-recruiting Chocholes be Recommended to General Use, throughout the Utopian Territories.

Smile Very Happy

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The entertainments with the dogs must have been really interesting for you. Last year I was at an international breeder show concerning Arabian horses…

Oh, yes!
I suppose that I'm of the same sort of (slightly crazy) dog lovers, as you are an Arabian horses Fan.
So you’d better say than my nose is crooked (to be honest, mine is slightly turned-up )) ) or that my English is absolutely rubbish ))) than ‘your dog’s nose seems to be slightly imperfect’ Smile
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what you intent to do at the next weekend?

It’s too distant future to plan it now Smile Time will tell (and the weather, of course Smile )
Next week is the last when my son’s GCSE exams (UK secondary school’s graduate ones) are in progress. So, as I suppose, we’ll have a good cause to relax...

…Now it’s time to dive in English lessons…
My today’s homework is ‘to write an informal letter to a family member telling him/her about your difficulties’ Very Happy

P.S. One of my audio courses includes a lively song with the repeated phrase ‘Oh, I like to study English every day…’ Great auto-training! Smile Very Happy

P.P.S. Sorry for such a loooong post Smile

See you,
Tamara
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I really enjoy an atmosphere at this ESL Forum! Tue Jun 13, 2006 19:11 pm  I really enjoy an atmosphere at this ESL Forum!
 

Anonymous wrote:
Tamara wrote:
Hi Michael!…

Oops…

Michael, sorry... Editing my morning post at the afternoon and not from home (I happened to find several my mistakes. Fresh look… Smile ) has resulted in appearing the above quote instead of my initial post… Sad and now I can’t make it more readable Smile

But it’s still me Smile as is Smile

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I really enjoy an atmosphere at this ESL Forum! Wed Jun 14, 2006 19:33 pm  I really enjoy an atmosphere at this ESL Forum!
 

Hi Tamara!

I had lliked to answer your post yesterday evening yet, but as I had worked the whole day long in a hot and sticky work hall ( 40 degrees and jumping up and down a stairway the whole day long) my brains had been burnt out. I not even understood the soccer WM. When I came home I had been silly like a piece of bread! Shocked Confused

Have I understood you the right way that you couldn?t correct your own post from another work station than yours at home? That were an interesting cognition. Question I mean should I ever have a job at a computer at any company I probably couldn?t reply with my own synonym?

I hope you didn?t mind or wonder why I asked you about your plans for the next weekend. Embarassed I did it because you mentioned that at your EOSL exam such a question could come and I only wanted to request you to prove it here. I hope that it wasn?t to pushy.

Sorry, your recent post was really long and interesting, so I don?t know on which point I sould answer. Confused In spite of that I enjoyed it. Cool Really nice were the link to the old English women?s site with their petition against beer. Although I didn?t really understand it, I played with the imagination to talk to such old British women as I sometimes like drinking the one or the other beer Laughing Once in a year my wife and me take place at an event with a bunch of relatives. The event is called celebration of shooting the bird. We try to shoot a wooden bird from a pillar, but the main sense of that event is supposed to get drunk as much as you can, at least for me it seems to be that. While the wifes mostly drink coffee and few alcoholic drinks the men seem to have a match about who can stand it most long. I almost ever loose that contest. Laughing But that doesn?t matter.

Hey, I?m babbling and babbling Shocked Laughing

See you soon!

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I really enjoy an atmosphere at this ESL Forum! Wed Jun 14, 2006 23:05 pm  I really enjoy an atmosphere at this ESL Forum!
 

Hi, Michael,

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up and down
How about:

hither and thither
but and ben / but-and-ben
from pillar to post
wigwag
туда-сюда (in Russian)
Smile

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…I probably couldn?t reply with my own synonym?

I don’t think so.
And really I don’t know, whether it was some software faults or I was just unlucky yesterday Smile. It was my first time when I had used another computer (with different browser) and the first time I had had this effect.

I definitely could log in from another computer (with Internet Explorer), Forum defined me as Tamara and I could see myself online Smile , but some functions (like editing my previous posts) were inaccessible for Tamara (so I had only Guest’s status, when posted the modification of my previous post). I also couldn’t enter my private message box Sad
From my home (I use Mosilla) it’s all right. In particular, I potentially can edit mistakes in all my previous posts in plenty Smile

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I hope that it wasn?t to pushy

Not a bit.
It’s just my feature: I don’t like indeed a detailed planning of a rest too long before Smile

…At my ESOL exam I am ready to tell a touching story-in-the-past from my early childhood Smile , to describe formally my specific process of learning new words (‘know how’ Smile ), to ask plenty of rubbish questions keeping up a dialogue, etc…………..

Sure, your ’babbling’ is much more interesting and alive. I really enjoy it Smile

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We try to shoot a wooden bird from a pillar, but the main sense of that event is …

the men seem to have a match about who can stand it most long.

Smile Good fun! Very Happy

P.S. Tomorrow I am going to London from the early morning and till late at night.

Have a (next) nice day! Smile
Tamara
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