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Torsten
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 #3 (permalink) Sat May 22, 2010 20:53 pm Test and try out? |
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Hi torsen,
I think I can accept test out her.
I give another example:These prototypes are tested out |
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| #4 (permalink) Sat May 22, 2010 20:54 pm Test and try out? |
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| #5 (permalink) Sat May 22, 2010 22:01 pm Test and try out? |
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You cannot use 'tested' because of the following word 'out'. You 'try out' things or you 'test' things, you do not 'test out' things.
Not in English anyway... ... as Torsten has already very clearly explained!
As an aside, you might like to use the 'edit' function to correct typos made in your posts. It is a far neater solution that creating a follow-up post.
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| #6 (permalink) Sun May 23, 2010 1:59 am Test and try out? |
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| I’m sure about -test out- is a correct answer but if you think it is wrong then check you dictionary or Wikipedia as you do every time. |
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| #7 (permalink) Sun May 23, 2010 10:46 am Test and try out? |
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I am equally sure you are wrong, without needing to consult a dictionary, and as the whole point of the comment regarding your use of Wikipedia to define a term was an extremely poor choice, I would hardly be likely to use it.
Consulting a dictionary is good advice. Perhaps you should try following it yourself. However, there is a caveat - you still have to place words in the correct context, so you will also need to use a modicum of intelligence.
Please be sure to search in a reputable place for the term - a general search for the phrase will no doubt produce a host of hits - but that won't mean the term is being used correctly.
In this forum we are trying to help learners use terms correctly, not sloppily. This is important because many are preparing fro exams, which require even more precision of use than many native speakers possess.
other examples of sloppy, incorrect English in very common usage:
At supermarket checkouts: "10 items or less"
All over the media: "We'll give you one for free."
In a whole range of informal writing eg. discussion forums: "I could of guessed."
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| #8 (permalink) Sun May 23, 2010 13:43 pm Test and try out? |
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I think that people should explore the website, examine the examples, compare the arguments and decide what to do with them.
And I think it is time of unexplored meanings, unexampled difficulties, and confuted arguments and if someone comes to a decision, certainly with the greatest pleasure, it will sprout in his mind like a mushroom.
According to Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary:
test sth out ,phrasal verb ..
to test something, especially a theory or an idea, to find out how it works in a practical situation or how people react to it .
The students tested out their cost-cutting ideas in several companies. |
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| #9 (permalink) Sun May 23, 2010 14:19 pm Test and try out? |
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| Nabilchamlal wrote: |
| I think that people should explore the website, examine the examples, compare the arguments and decide what to do with them. |
That's all very well if the user's command of the English language is good enough. It is not the purpose of these boards.
It seems that your own command of the English language is also questionable in places.
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to test something, especially a theory or an idea, to find out how it works in a practical situation or how people react to it .
The students tested out their cost-cutting ideas in several companies. |
No - that is not a definition of 'test out'. That phrase you have found is 'test something out', which is different. Test something out provides the noun before the preposition. If you look up 'test out' in that dictionary, you get the message
Results for test out
test out was not found
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/spellcheck/british/?q=test+out
Your bluff did not work. I presume you are unable to provide proof of usage of the phrase 'test out', citing a reputable source, and suggest that you owe Torsten an apology for pressing the incorrect point after he had explained it very clearly.
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| #10 (permalink) Sun May 23, 2010 15:06 pm Test and try out? |
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Focus please, compare the two examples:
Torsen: I'm just testing out my new mobile
Cambridge: The students tested out their cost-cutting ideas in several companies.
I with the students.
My with their .
New mobile with cost-cutting ideas.
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| #11 (permalink) Sun May 23, 2010 16:15 pm Test and try out? |
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| Nabilchamlal wrote: |
| Focus please, compare the two examples: |
Your examples aren't worth anything, I'm afraid. They have no worth without a legitimate grammatical basis.
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Torsen: I'm just testing out my new mobile
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You mean "I'm just trying out my new mobile" (try + preposition)
or "I am just testing my new mobile out". (test + noun)
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Cambridge: The students tested out their cost-cutting ideas in several companies.
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You mean "the students tried out their cost-cutting ideas." (try + preposition)
or "The students tested their cost-cutting ideas out." (test + noun)
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I with the students.
My with their .
New mobile with cost-cutting ideas.
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Is this actually supposed to be meaningful?
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| and it is you who owe me an apology. |
I've explained that if you provide proof I'll willingly admit to being wrong. So far, you have failed dismally.
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| #13 (permalink) Sun May 23, 2010 23:06 pm Test and try out? |
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Another failure. That is still test something out.
It includes the noun which you insist you don't need.
You seem to be failing in your contention.
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| #14 (permalink) Sun May 23, 2010 23:50 pm Test and try out? |
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| I start to think that you are a stupide robot |
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| #15 (permalink) Mon May 24, 2010 7:53 am Test and try out? |
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Ah well, if you have to descend to this level of post, without any additional constructed argument to get your kicks, then I shall consider that I have been proved correct and you are unable to find any proof to uphold your contention. I know it is too much to expect you to apologise to Torsten - but you should.
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