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request by or request from? #1 (permalink) Mon Apr 08, 2013 19:28 pm   request by or request from?
 

Hi everyone, do we get requests from somebody or by somebody? Thanks, Torsten

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Re: request by or request from? #2 (permalink) Mon Apr 08, 2013 21:19 pm   Re: request by or request from?
 

When "The co-pilot gives flight information to passengers"-ing, I couldn't determine what you wanted attention directed to that pertained to your query.

Well, the answer is 'from' - but others in the forum will say 'either' - but why is it either?

'by' has the meaning, relevant here, of 'identifying the agent performing an action' - so, yes.
'from' has the meaning, "indicating the source or provenance of someone or something'. So - yes.

So why do we say:
"A book by Dickens" and not "A book from Dickens."
...yet happily write: "From the desk of..."

This is the second time today I haven't had a ready answer!
The thinking cap is on for both, the mental juices flowing - my cup overfloweth.
This kind of thing really makes you think about what so readily trips off the tongue...without really understanding the 'why'.

Later, after a bit of thought:
Is it to do with being a shortened form?
"A request (coming) from..."
"A request (made) by..."
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request by or request from? #3 (permalink) Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:10 am   request by or request from?
 

Bazza,
Are they correct?
1. If there is a reasonable request from/(X: by) any student, our teacher will accept.
1a. A personal request from/(X: by) the boss cannot be easily refused.
1b. This new maths book by/(X: from) Dickens can help to understand this sum.

2. She is expected to send that request by/(X: from) Friday morning.
2a. The request by/(X: from) the M.P. to discuss on the floor was refused by the speaker.
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request by or request from? #4 (permalink) Tue Apr 09, 2013 16:24 pm   request by or request from?
 

Beeesneees,
Could you please help?
Thanks.
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request by or request from? #5 (permalink) Tue Apr 09, 2013 21:13 pm   request by or request from?
 

If this:
(X:by)
is supposed to indicate that the word in the ellipses is wrong, then you are not wholly correct.

1. from/by are both possible. "Our teacher will accept" - needs an object noun or pronoun.
1a. from/by are both possible.
1b. both possible, though 'by' is most likely. "Can help us to understand this sum".

2. 'by' is likely. 'From' is not impossible if it is a repeat request.
2a both possible, but the second half of the sentence is not grammatical.
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request by or request from? #6 (permalink) Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:23 am   request by or request from?
 

Beeesneees,
1. If there is a reasonable request from/by any student, our teacher will accept it.
1a. A personal request from/by the boss cannot be easily refused.
1b. This new maths book by Dickens can help to understand this maths sum.
2. She is expected to send that request by Friday morning.
2a. The request by/from the M.P. was refused by the speaker of the parliament.
2b. The request by the M.P., to discuss on the floor, was refused by the speaker.
Are they all correct now?
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request by or request from? #7 (permalink) Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:16 am   request by or request from?
 

... can help us to understand this sum.
... was rejected by the speaker of the Houses of Parliament.
The request made by the MP, to discuss XX on the floor, was rejected by the speaker.
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