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#3 (permalink) Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:44 am What does this phrase mean: "even steven"? |
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Dear teachers,
Why "even steven" means fair?
Thanks in advance
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#4 (permalink) Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:31 am What does this phrase mean: "even steven"? |
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Hello Aiken,
No one is exactly sure of the origin of this phrase.
'Even' means 'fair', and most people seem to think that "Even Steven" (also known in some areas as 'Even Stevens') is merely modern rhyming word-play (like "drop dead, Fred", "see you later, alligator" "silly-billy", or "know what I mean, jelly bean?").
There are other theories, including one about a racehorse with the name 'Even Stevens' (that much is fact) who was so good that the odds offered on him in a race were generally no better than 'even'. Another theory dates the phrase back to the beginning of the 18th Century but it gets very complex at this point. _________________ "Inside every old person is a young person wondering what happened."
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#5 (permalink) Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:40 am What does this phrase mean: "even steven"? |
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Dear Bees,
Thanks your fully explanation. For me these rhymings are actually so strange. Further, do they all originate from America? I've just heard one from my British friends.
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#6 (permalink) Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:57 am What does this phrase mean: "even steven"? |
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Most rhyming slang phrases seem to originate from Britain (including this one). _________________ "Inside every old person is a young person wondering what happened."
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Beeesneees Language Coach

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#7 (permalink) Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:41 pm What does this phrase mean: "even steven"? |
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please explain: about her side of the argument? argument=quarrel, row? |
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#8 (permalink) Mon Sep 26, 2011 18:45 pm What does this phrase mean: "even steven"? |
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yes _________________ "Inside every old person is a young person wondering what happened."
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#9 (permalink) Mon Sep 26, 2011 19:31 pm What does this phrase mean: "even steven"? |
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Hi,
I know it as 'even stevens'.
I found this:
Quote: | even stevens/even stephens - equal measures, fair shares, especially financial or value - earliest origins and associations are probably found in Jonathan Swift's 'Journal To Stella' written 20 Jan 1748: "Now we are even quoth Stephen, when he gave his wife six blows for one". A separate and possibly main contributory root is the fact that 'Steven' or 'Stephen' was English slang for money from early 1800's, probably from Dutch stiver/stuiver/stuyver, meaning something of little value, from the name for a low value coin which at one time was the smallest monetary unit in the Cape (presumably South Africa) under the Dutch East India Company, equal to about an old English penny. An expression seems to have appeared in the 1800's 'Steven's at home' meaning one has money. The alliterative (rhyming) sound of the expression would have made it a natural reference or paired words expression and ensured common usage. People like saying things that trip comfortably off the tongue. (ref Cassell)
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#10 (permalink) Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:07 am What does this phrase mean: "even steven"? |
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pleae explain: and be fair about her side of the argument?
many thanks |
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Saneta I'm a Communicator ;-)

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#11 (permalink) Tue Sep 27, 2011 20:31 pm What does this phrase mean: "even steven"? |
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That's a partial sentence. What's the rest? _________________ "Inside every old person is a young person wondering what happened."
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#12 (permalink) Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:28 am What does this phrase mean: "even steven"? |
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I know that's a part of the sentence, but what does it mean?
thanks |
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Saneta I'm a Communicator ;-)

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#13 (permalink) Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:40 am What does this phrase mean: "even steven"? |
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Hi Saneta,
Quote: | please explain: and be fair about her side of the argument? |
This suggests that you should be objective and see her point of view within the argument.
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#14 (permalink) Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:45 am What does this phrase mean: "even steven"? |
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many thanks! |
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Saneta I'm a Communicator ;-)

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