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#2 (permalink) Tue Dec 27, 2005 2:03 am Idiomatic expression: close proximity |
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Yes, you are right on both counts, Conchita-- it is redundant, and it is a fixed expression. There are many of these in the language, and they are used for stress: a large fortune, aid and abet, etc. _________________ Native English teacher at Mister Micawber's |
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#3 (permalink) Tue Dec 27, 2005 12:46 pm Expressions |
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Thank you for your prompt reply. I'm new here and not at all used to getting such a quick reaction (we normally go at a slower pace in Spain!), never mind one at all. On top of this I've learned a new expression: aid and abet. |
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#4 (permalink) Tue Dec 27, 2005 17:32 pm Idiomatic expression: close proximity |
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1) To me "when you consider the close proximity of the cottage of Andrew and Sally" sounds more natural.
2) "Tautology" is another good word for "redundancy" _________________ Learning is a sacred engagement. |
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Ahmadov I'm here quite often ;-)

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#5 (permalink) Tue Dec 27, 2005 20:01 pm Idiomatic expression: close proximity |
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Ahmadov wrote: | 1) To me "when you consider the close proximity of the cottage of Andrew and Sally" sounds more natural.
2) "Tautology" is another good word for "redundancy" |
Hi,
Bear in mind that what you have written suggests there is only one cottage but there are two!
Alan _________________ English as a Second Language You can read my ESL story Present Simple |
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#6 (permalink) Tue Dec 27, 2005 20:12 pm Idiomatic expression: close proximity |
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WOW, what a good point! I really missed that... Hmmmm, however, doesn't this imply that there are two cottages when you speak about proximity? Well, I am not arguing, it is your native language and you have been teaching this language for many years, but cann't this argument change your mind? Thanks _________________ Learning is a sacred engagement. |
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Ahmadov I'm here quite often ;-)

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#7 (permalink) Tue Dec 27, 2005 20:16 pm Idiomatic expression: close proximity |
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...or how about "the close proximity of Andrew's and Sally's cottages"? _________________ Learning is a sacred engagement. |
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Ahmadov I'm here quite often ;-)

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#8 (permalink) Tue Dec 27, 2005 21:08 pm Proximity |
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Hi,
To be honest, I'm quite happy with what I wrote in the first place:
the close ......... of Andrew's cottage and Sally's.
Alan _________________ English as a Foreign Language You can read my EFL story Progressive Forms |
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#9 (permalink) Wed Dec 28, 2005 6:44 am Idiomatic expression: close proximity |
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Hello Alan,
I think it is becoming clearer to me why you prefer that version. Thank you for being patient.
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#10 (permalink) Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:11 pm Idiomatic expression: close proximity |
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But you must remember that two years ago the two main characters hadn't met... why not: didn't meet? or both are acceptable and why? many thanks |
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#11 (permalink) Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:33 pm Idiomatic expression: close proximity |
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'Didn't meet' refers to that one day 2 years ago: September 23rd, 2009. 'Hadn't met' refers to any time on or before that date. _________________ Native English teacher at Mister Micawber's |
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