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#2 (permalink) Wed Dec 22, 2010 19:38 pm how many kilometres" is there" or" are there " ? |
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#3 (permalink) Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:44 am how many kilometres" is there" or" are there " ? |
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Why then do we say " Fifty miles is a long distance ?
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#4 (permalink) Thu Apr 07, 2011 17:59 pm how many kilometres" is there" or" are there " ? |
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With different measurements of time/distance/length it is correct to use the plural when the description comes after the noun and to use the singular when the description comes before the noun.
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#5 (permalink) Thu Apr 07, 2011 19:44 pm how many kilometres" is there" or" are there " ? |
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Beeesneees wrote: | With different measurements of time/distance/length it is correct to use the plural when the description comes after the noun and to use the singular when the description comes before the noun.
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That is of course true if it were a question about either a fifty mile journey or a journey of fifty miles but I would say this is a different question.
We say fifty miles is a long distance because we are talking about the distance and not the individual miles.
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#6 (permalink) Thu Apr 07, 2011 22:33 pm how many kilometres" is there" or" are there " ? |
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Fair enough, fair point. Thanks :) _________________ "Inside every old person is a young person wondering what happened."
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#7 (permalink) Fri Apr 08, 2011 0:23 am how many kilometres" is there" or" are there " ? |
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Ahmeeeeeeeeeed wrote: | How many kilometres "is there" or are there between Egypt and France?
How many kilometres "is there" or are there in a mile? |
The question 'how many?' basically asks you to count something. So, we would be counting kilometers, and thus viewing them individually rather than looking at them collectively as a single unit. This is the case in both of your examples.
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#8 (permalink) Fri Apr 08, 2011 16:58 pm how many kilometres" is there" or" are there " ? |
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A fifty miles distance is a long way to walk.
fifty miles ~ adjective There is only one distance used in the sentence.
But in my opinion,
'Fifty miles is a long way to go on foot,' is correct as well.
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#9 (permalink) Fri Apr 08, 2011 17:29 pm how many kilometres" is there" or" are there " ? |
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No - when used as an adjective the singular form is needed:
Quote: | A fifty miles distance is a long way to walk | . No 's',
Anyhow this-is written better as: A distance of fifty miles ...
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#10 (permalink) Fri Apr 08, 2011 23:33 pm how many kilometres" is there" or" are there " ? |
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Teacher Alan, please explain why singular is needed if words "fifty" and "mile" are used as a compound adjective.
Fifty mile ~ Does it mean "a mile fifty times"?
In addition, what about this form below?
Fifty mile a distance is a long way to go on foot.
Anyway this is not clear to me at all.
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